The 338 Terminator has some impressive stats. Also check out GunUniversity.com. Harrison: Make sure someone else is taking the photos. After all, the throat is usually what goes first on a barrel because of intense heat and pressure generated by powder particles and friction from the bullet. It was, however, easier to hold off-hand than a similar-weighted rifle and it was very stable on a bag due to much of its weight being distributed toward the rear. All of the 30" Edge's that I have built run 2870-2920 with the 300 SMK. The rifle functioned well. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. That beautifully machined trigger bar is responsible for the LRKM’s very unbullpup-like trigger pull. You may not agree, but you don’t have to — as for me, I’ll extend the stalk and not the shot. Website: RyanCleckner.com Instagram: @Cleckner FaceBook: facebook.com/ryan.cleckner/, Your email address will not be published. To clarify, I'm ONLY considering 338 Edge here, not 338 LM, for the reasons stated above. How did they get a 300-grain bullet traveling over 3,000 fps without serious over-pressure issues? That M700 bolt exiting the rear of the action means you have to take the rifle out of the shoulder each time you stuff in a reload. And yes, this round is capable at 2,000 yards. However, for the vast majority of shooters looking for an extreme long range rifle and cartridge, I’d recommend something like a Barrett MRAD in 338 Lapua Mag or even the new 300 PRC. I have ran a search and found a response indicating around 1200 rounds for barrel life for this cartridge. Cleckner: I’m heading to the range. Gun Parts - Stocks, Barrels, Actions, etc. The Edge and the Improved 338 Lapua were the velocity leaders.

Ryan Cleckner is a former special operations sniper and sniper instructor. A rifle case and a large cardboard box arrived for me in the mail. Carlock set about creating a basic.338-300 RUM wildcat, eager to obtain data and study its potential while expecting the same cartridge to be formalized as a Remington Chambering. However, it’s worth noting again: the Defensive Edge LRKM has an amazing trigger — and it happens to be a bullpup-style rifle.

This rifle and cartridge are built for one purpose: launching a monster projectile a long way from a static position.

this would be a defensive edge built rifle with a hart barrel.

The brass starts out as extremely high-quality 338 Lapua brass, and then it’s fire-formed by Defensive Edge to push the shoulders forward a bit for its “improved” design. Joined Mar 20, 2008 Messages 716.

The.338 Edge was designed by Shawn Carlock during the interim period between Remington’s release of the.300 RUM and the expectation of a.338 RUM. A quick Google search on my phone showed me that I should expect the velocity of the 300-grain bullet to be just over 3,000 feet per second! More on this later. All likely outcomes will be interesting. After seeing the high velocity and learning that the brass started as 338 Lapua Mag brass, I couldn’t figure out how it was able to handle the performance without showing signs of pressure. Then 300 Norma Mag came along and our military really started to like it because it outperforms the 338 Lapua Mag with less recoil. My money is on this helping to increase barrel life too. It was exactly where I was aiming and my chronograph read 3,071 fps. First Shots At the range, I set up the rifle and my chronograph and prepared to confirm the rifle’s zero at 100 yards. The reduced pressure prevents a cartridge from reaching the velocity it would normally, so this throat/chamber design is best suited for monsters like the 338 Terminator. OK, now I’m impressed. The other long-range shooters at the range and I were pleasantly surprised with the rifle’s accuracy. Takedown is pretty straightforward, assuming you can turn two screws.

Great. Let me hear your arguments for one or the other. It also means there’s no way to feed it from a magazine. The Rifle Belying its shorter overall length due to the bullpup design, is the rifle’s weight at just under 16 pounds with the Nightforce ATAC-R that arrived with it, (13.5 pounds for the rifle alone). My question is whether a Savage action is a bad idea for a 338 Edge build. A new round must be manually loaded into the rifle before closing the bolt. Perhaps I shouldn’t have been so quick to judge the system. http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1917087#Post1917087. Figured it’d be right up your alley. This was unexpected. When you’re looking for good long-range performance, consistent velocities are necessary. I am trying to decide which 338 is best suited for me (edge or lapua). However, I personally recommend neither for most shooters. It’s effectively a 338 Lapua Mag Improved +P. I then opened the rifle case and found a bullpup single-shot bolt-action rifle with a very beefy 32-inch barrel in a pistol-grip chassis. The ammunition was extremely consistent, and the rifle seemed to be very accurate, especially for that large of a round. The rifle shipped with two test targets showing 1/3 MOA groups, and while I shot multiple 1/2 MOA groups, I never quite got them as small as the test targets. They’ve clearly figured out the bullpup linkage problem, and others should take note. I loaded up and fired my first shot out of the LRKM. Done deal. does this sound about right?

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His newest project is focused on family and organizational safety at Mayday Safety. Thousand-yard groups on the gong, and 1,250-yard groups on the silhouette, like this are almost worth the price of admission. does this sound about right? A standard rifle stock allows me to run the bolt easier and faster.

I know I’m in the minority here — there’s nothing “wrong” with pistol grip chassis, I simply prefer standard-style rifle stocks. The Ultimate Firearms Destination for the Gun Lifestyle, © 2020 Recoil Magazine The ammunition loading was some of the best I’ve seen. I have ran a search and found a response indicating around 1200 rounds for barrel life for this cartridge.
Currently, he’s a firearms law attorney, best-selling author, RECOIL/Carnivore contributor, university lecturer, Trigger Words podcast host, and entrepreneur. JavaScript is disabled. When possible, I shoot rifles with my firing-side thumb on the same side as, and near, my trigger finger. Defensive Edge, the rifle’s manufacturer and designer, did include a kydex holder for two rounds forward of the ejection port so that a couple of spares were readily available. If your biggest risk of failure is spooking an animal, then you’re hunting. I shot 1,000 yards with 5.9 Mils of elevation above my 100-yard zero and 1,250 yards with 8 Mils of elevation.

A conversation with the rifle’s designer cleared it up and this is, in my opinion, the most novel part of the entire system … It has a unique chamber that allows for a more powerful round while minimizing the chamber pressure. All rights reserved. I am currently shooting a 300 ultra mag, and I am thinking about stepping up to a 338 cal round in the near future. 5-6 loading on a case before they need annealed, or just toss them. However, if your biggest risk of failure is missing the target, then you’re target shooting. POD-150806, Home » Magazine » Issue 40 » Long-Range Killing Machine: The Defensive Edge 338 Terminator, This article originally appeared in RECOIL Issue 40. Save my name & email in this browser for the next time I comment. Sign Up today for our FREE Newsletter and get the latest articles and news delivered right to your inbox. My bias stems from operating the rifle and stability/height issues due to the stock being high enough to make room for the pistol grip. As a note, I offered to let them shoot the rifle, but they were happier watching me from a safe distance. I just didn’t like bullpup bolt action rifles in general.
I opened the cardboard box and found two monstrous ammunition containers with 50 rounds each of what looked like 338 Lapua ammo on steroids — slightly larger case capacity with a long, 300-grain Berger bullet sticking out. Cleckner: You expect me to put my cheek on top of the chamber while I torch-off a 300-grain bullet out of ammo hand-loaded by someone else in a wildcat cartridge that is pushing a modified 338 Lapua Magnum to the extreme? As an example, a loss of 10 fps for this round is almost a foot more drop at 2,000 yards. The special chamber. Consistency is the key to accuracy. This unique throat design lowers pressure so much that a standard cartridge/load will not meet its normal performance expectations in this chamber. Install a Wyatt's mag box or Seekins Detachable mag, and a 338 Edge barrel. Probably be quickest just to give Shawn a call and ask directly though.

Yes, the design did save over a foot off the overall length but it introduced too many issues for me. JavaScript is disabled. You must log in or register to reply here. The LRKM rifle is extremely accurate but the bullpup design, although executed as well as it could be, is clumsy on a bolt-action rifle. I needed to completely remove my shoulder from the rifle in order to operate it.
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The 338 Terminator has some impressive stats. Also check out GunUniversity.com. Harrison: Make sure someone else is taking the photos. After all, the throat is usually what goes first on a barrel because of intense heat and pressure generated by powder particles and friction from the bullet. It was, however, easier to hold off-hand than a similar-weighted rifle and it was very stable on a bag due to much of its weight being distributed toward the rear. All of the 30" Edge's that I have built run 2870-2920 with the 300 SMK. The rifle functioned well. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. That beautifully machined trigger bar is responsible for the LRKM’s very unbullpup-like trigger pull. You may not agree, but you don’t have to — as for me, I’ll extend the stalk and not the shot. Website: RyanCleckner.com Instagram: @Cleckner FaceBook: facebook.com/ryan.cleckner/, Your email address will not be published. To clarify, I'm ONLY considering 338 Edge here, not 338 LM, for the reasons stated above. How did they get a 300-grain bullet traveling over 3,000 fps without serious over-pressure issues? That M700 bolt exiting the rear of the action means you have to take the rifle out of the shoulder each time you stuff in a reload. And yes, this round is capable at 2,000 yards. However, for the vast majority of shooters looking for an extreme long range rifle and cartridge, I’d recommend something like a Barrett MRAD in 338 Lapua Mag or even the new 300 PRC. I have ran a search and found a response indicating around 1200 rounds for barrel life for this cartridge. Cleckner: I’m heading to the range. Gun Parts - Stocks, Barrels, Actions, etc. The Edge and the Improved 338 Lapua were the velocity leaders.

Ryan Cleckner is a former special operations sniper and sniper instructor. A rifle case and a large cardboard box arrived for me in the mail. Carlock set about creating a basic.338-300 RUM wildcat, eager to obtain data and study its potential while expecting the same cartridge to be formalized as a Remington Chambering. However, it’s worth noting again: the Defensive Edge LRKM has an amazing trigger — and it happens to be a bullpup-style rifle.

This rifle and cartridge are built for one purpose: launching a monster projectile a long way from a static position.

this would be a defensive edge built rifle with a hart barrel.

The brass starts out as extremely high-quality 338 Lapua brass, and then it’s fire-formed by Defensive Edge to push the shoulders forward a bit for its “improved” design. Joined Mar 20, 2008 Messages 716.

The.338 Edge was designed by Shawn Carlock during the interim period between Remington’s release of the.300 RUM and the expectation of a.338 RUM. A quick Google search on my phone showed me that I should expect the velocity of the 300-grain bullet to be just over 3,000 feet per second! More on this later. All likely outcomes will be interesting. After seeing the high velocity and learning that the brass started as 338 Lapua Mag brass, I couldn’t figure out how it was able to handle the performance without showing signs of pressure. Then 300 Norma Mag came along and our military really started to like it because it outperforms the 338 Lapua Mag with less recoil. My money is on this helping to increase barrel life too. It was exactly where I was aiming and my chronograph read 3,071 fps. First Shots At the range, I set up the rifle and my chronograph and prepared to confirm the rifle’s zero at 100 yards. The reduced pressure prevents a cartridge from reaching the velocity it would normally, so this throat/chamber design is best suited for monsters like the 338 Terminator. OK, now I’m impressed. The other long-range shooters at the range and I were pleasantly surprised with the rifle’s accuracy. Takedown is pretty straightforward, assuming you can turn two screws.

Great. Let me hear your arguments for one or the other. It also means there’s no way to feed it from a magazine. The Rifle Belying its shorter overall length due to the bullpup design, is the rifle’s weight at just under 16 pounds with the Nightforce ATAC-R that arrived with it, (13.5 pounds for the rifle alone). My question is whether a Savage action is a bad idea for a 338 Edge build. A new round must be manually loaded into the rifle before closing the bolt. Perhaps I shouldn’t have been so quick to judge the system. http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1917087#Post1917087. Figured it’d be right up your alley. This was unexpected. When you’re looking for good long-range performance, consistent velocities are necessary. I am trying to decide which 338 is best suited for me (edge or lapua). However, I personally recommend neither for most shooters. It’s effectively a 338 Lapua Mag Improved +P. I then opened the rifle case and found a bullpup single-shot bolt-action rifle with a very beefy 32-inch barrel in a pistol-grip chassis. The ammunition was extremely consistent, and the rifle seemed to be very accurate, especially for that large of a round. The rifle shipped with two test targets showing 1/3 MOA groups, and while I shot multiple 1/2 MOA groups, I never quite got them as small as the test targets. They’ve clearly figured out the bullpup linkage problem, and others should take note. I loaded up and fired my first shot out of the LRKM. Done deal. does this sound about right?

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His newest project is focused on family and organizational safety at Mayday Safety. Thousand-yard groups on the gong, and 1,250-yard groups on the silhouette, like this are almost worth the price of admission. does this sound about right? A standard rifle stock allows me to run the bolt easier and faster.

I know I’m in the minority here — there’s nothing “wrong” with pistol grip chassis, I simply prefer standard-style rifle stocks. The Ultimate Firearms Destination for the Gun Lifestyle, © 2020 Recoil Magazine The ammunition loading was some of the best I’ve seen. I have ran a search and found a response indicating around 1200 rounds for barrel life for this cartridge.
Currently, he’s a firearms law attorney, best-selling author, RECOIL/Carnivore contributor, university lecturer, Trigger Words podcast host, and entrepreneur. JavaScript is disabled. When possible, I shoot rifles with my firing-side thumb on the same side as, and near, my trigger finger. Defensive Edge, the rifle’s manufacturer and designer, did include a kydex holder for two rounds forward of the ejection port so that a couple of spares were readily available. If your biggest risk of failure is spooking an animal, then you’re hunting. I shot 1,000 yards with 5.9 Mils of elevation above my 100-yard zero and 1,250 yards with 8 Mils of elevation.

A conversation with the rifle’s designer cleared it up and this is, in my opinion, the most novel part of the entire system … It has a unique chamber that allows for a more powerful round while minimizing the chamber pressure. All rights reserved. I am currently shooting a 300 ultra mag, and I am thinking about stepping up to a 338 cal round in the near future. 5-6 loading on a case before they need annealed, or just toss them. However, if your biggest risk of failure is missing the target, then you’re target shooting. POD-150806, Home » Magazine » Issue 40 » Long-Range Killing Machine: The Defensive Edge 338 Terminator, This article originally appeared in RECOIL Issue 40. Save my name & email in this browser for the next time I comment. Sign Up today for our FREE Newsletter and get the latest articles and news delivered right to your inbox. My bias stems from operating the rifle and stability/height issues due to the stock being high enough to make room for the pistol grip. As a note, I offered to let them shoot the rifle, but they were happier watching me from a safe distance. I just didn’t like bullpup bolt action rifles in general.
I opened the cardboard box and found two monstrous ammunition containers with 50 rounds each of what looked like 338 Lapua ammo on steroids — slightly larger case capacity with a long, 300-grain Berger bullet sticking out. Cleckner: You expect me to put my cheek on top of the chamber while I torch-off a 300-grain bullet out of ammo hand-loaded by someone else in a wildcat cartridge that is pushing a modified 338 Lapua Magnum to the extreme? As an example, a loss of 10 fps for this round is almost a foot more drop at 2,000 yards. The special chamber. Consistency is the key to accuracy. This unique throat design lowers pressure so much that a standard cartridge/load will not meet its normal performance expectations in this chamber. Install a Wyatt's mag box or Seekins Detachable mag, and a 338 Edge barrel. Probably be quickest just to give Shawn a call and ask directly though.

Yes, the design did save over a foot off the overall length but it introduced too many issues for me. JavaScript is disabled. You must log in or register to reply here. The LRKM rifle is extremely accurate but the bullpup design, although executed as well as it could be, is clumsy on a bolt-action rifle. I needed to completely remove my shoulder from the rifle in order to operate it.
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