I guided and outfitted in the Gros Ventre area for years. MG. Wow! in 300) and you’ll notice very little difference. 3. The 7mm SAUM is a popular choice in f-class shooting, and has been used to take home multiple championships in this discipline. I have a 7mm RUM and tried the 180 gr JLK VLD. It’s also in my opinion, the best cheap long range cartridge you can own. Several celebrated gun writers have said the 7MM with 150 grained bullet kills better than the 175 grained bullets. bullets and you’ll get different results. Showed it to them , let them have The only down side around here in N.E Ohio is I don’t feel comfortable shooting it around the farm without a deflection ramp behind it to drive the bullets down into the ground because them things don’t stop very easily and I don’t want a 2 or 3 mile ricochet hurting someone. Spomer knows of what he speaks, dont know how he always remains polite with his authentic reality based experiences, dealing with guys who read ballistics charts. Shared the meat, brought home a quarter and the antlers. Hello Ron. However, my next rifle will be the new 300 Norma Magnum because something in the design, spacial relationship, powder column, BC, SD like the 22 250, has The god factor; it just IS….. Aronn!
3248 fps MV for 7mm; 3420 fps MV for 300 WM.
A difference of over 40 % !! They are all in the 2880-2900 fps which reflects Hogdon’s data. Both were well placed shots.
I’m an old Australian and that is to say we in Australia have been 20 years behind you lucky beggars in the states.
Mag. More power and more wound channel diameter through heart and lungs does not stop the brain and running gear from continuing to function for several seconds. In my experience a .224 to .243 varmint bullet that is slipped behind the shoulder into the heart/lungs breaks up dramatically, tearing tissues in an area about the volume of a softball , perhaps volleyball.
Like a nut, I let a friend talk me out of this rifle, big mistake. Thanks!
That's the year Winchester brought to market its now famous 300 Winchester Magnum.
If you’re recoil sensitive….
I can’t agree, however, that reputable “gun writers” routinely claim it’s superior to the 264 Win.
At 700 yards the 7mm is ahead. Size matters, so let’s stick to the two older magnums. I choose that caliber because of it’s reputation for taking down any of north America’s big game animals with relative ease. And because it burns so much powder and drives bullets at very high velocity, it also burns out barrels in short order. Those are always the deciding factors: right bullet, right place.
The heavier, larger caliber bullet delivers more energy at all ranges despite starting with a slower MV.
It shoots very accurately in my Browning A-bolt, and flattens what it hits. Would a 7 Mag or even a 300 do that? Thanks for that great memory of the good old days, David. 300mag had to much recoil! Good shooting. Its not ballisticly equal to the weatherby 270 magnum !Do you ever get tired of all the hype put out by the gun companies trying to promote a new round like the creedmores according to some gun wrighters its good for elk out to 500 yards WRONG its not even close to 7 mm magnum ! to compare accuracy with 300 mag. I shoot off packs, boulders, bipods and tripods with deadly accuracy as far as 450 yards with sub 6-pound rifles, regularly. At that level another pound of weight in the overall weight of the rifle reduces the recoil by about 4 pounds, give or take. Here are the relative recoil levels from both 8-pound rifles in the above scenario: Recoil Impulse Recoil velocity of rife Free recoil energy, 7mm Rem. Out of the box it weighs about 6 3/4 lbs. Meet myself, or any member of any long range forum, or, come to that, any military sniper . Mag. As for the energy levels making a difference, 50 years of hunting big game around the world suggests to me this isn’t significant either. Match those and you match trajectory/wind deflection. (Shot placement) Cow elk last year at 320. Good idea Donnie. They were always serious hunters and shooters, usually also re-loaders. CJV, you wrestle what all of us wrestle with at one time or another. He switched to a 30 Rem SAUM and said at the time it clobbers elk with 150 CL factory loads.
This does not mean the .22 is an optimal grizzly cartridge. “A centrefire rifle of .23 calibre or less is not recommended” (2017 mb hunting guide) but is legal. I really like the model 70 extreme weather. 30 caliber means the diameter of the hole is .30 of an inch across. A reloader can get the same energy levels from a 30-06 as a 7mm RM loaded to lower pressure. Or to be “fair” use a 180 in 7mm and a 180 in .308! However, that American Remington did just that time and time again; and not just in my hands either.
For example, looking at a review of Hornady’s 162 gr Precision Hunter load for 7mm RM on Midwayusa one reviewer only got 2815 fps and the listed velocity is 2930.
It has the best stock of the Rem rifles IMO, unless you dont like the HS aluminum bedded stcks. Back then, I had no idea who that was. Hornady has the 165 sst from the 300 going 2235 fps at 500 yards with 1830 energy.
I have a wide range of guns but only one hunting rifle, a 1903-A3, .30-06 I bought from the NRA in 1958, unmodified. Here’s how I see it I have two pretty much identical model 700 bdl Remington rifles actually three one is a300 win mag one is a 7 mm,Remington magnum and one is a 25_06 Remington using 120 grain bullets in 25_06 ,,140 grain in 7mm magnum and 180 grain in the 300 I’ve shot many deer with all of them if you get good bullets placement dead deer is the result Trajectory out to 500 yards on my shooting range seems about identical ,I know this because I’ve done this kind of shooting more than most ,we ,my friends and I used to put up one by one blocks of limestone out at the 450 mark I can tell you the 300 moves the rocks a lot more ,that being said one of my buddies came over one day with a 8 mm Remington magnum WOW I was impressed to say the leaste it would knock those blocks of solid limestone six to eight feet the 300 would roll it over the 25_06 made dust fly the 7mm more dust but that 8 mm magnum with 220 grain hornady hand loads was absalutetly way more powerful. 14.07 fps 24.6 foot-pounds, 300 Win.
If you are planning to shoot factory ammunition only, check back here for Part Two of this cartridge comparison blog. The .300 wm is a hard hitter, but remember they both use the same case as the venerable 375 H&H. C.I.P. I say buy both. and put three 150-grain bullets from a 300 Win Mag in a whitetail without dropping it. 2. The writer assumes the pros understand that hand loads can achieve higher achievement.
As a famous African elephant hunter once told me “Unless you put the bullet into the brain, it doesn’t matter if it’s 100 grains or 1,000 grains. but in a short, fat case. Unofficially, have the no. I’m talking actual chrono results. As an Alberta, Canada resident I can tell you there is no such thing as Canadian regulations on caliber size other than you must be above .223 for big game.
I doubt, however, that Canada disallows any 7mm magnums. Both ran or walked for about six seconds before wobbling and falling over.
Given that, I would happily and eagerly hunt anything with either cartridge — even charging brown bears. Thanks Mr. Spomer.
I figure you were likely satisfied with your 25-06 decision as well as the others.
(Or read, To engage this 7mm RM vs. 300 WM argument you have to be willing to pick at nits because, bottom line, both cartridges (and many other magnums like them) are winners. Depends on how sencitive you're to recoil.
Tougher, controlled expansion bullets penetrate much farther to create a longer, narrower wound cavity.
I have brought down my share of Whitetails in northern Minnesota, usually with a 180 grain bullet.
One can drive a 500-grain bullet carrying 4,000 f-p energy completely through a big bear or even a little one without stopping it. I have often considered doing a 7mm/300 wm set up.
300 win far exceeds the 7mm in muzzle velocity and ft pounds of energy if bullet weights were similar .notice the 300 win bullet was 40+ grains heaver and still ran with the 7mm.. the author is truly a 7mm fan . As for my rifle purchases I rationalize the more the better; There we no woderful 30 06’s to be had.
You are the only one responsible for your actions. mag can do almost as well at long range! The only thing more deadly than a big 7 , in my experience is a 35 Whelan used at 250 yards In that even the one with the heavier weight would have the higher BC but only if the velocity was equally increased in proportion to the ratio of difference between the WL. Your friend might have been misinformed by his outfitter. counterpart at ALL distances.
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