A bit difficult to see, but not too bad. After many conversations, he took the reigns and decided to do some research.
Can they effectively date a helmet?
If a configuration seemed suspect, I would not add it without seeing photos. You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. M1 Heat Stamp dating for two helmets. Ok, I hope the mods can post more accurate info like the messages where this info shows. Okay, it's front seam, OD3 straps, fixed bail. Actually the Lot number is what is most needed and a photo offers proof. Why are they there?
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If you also need a picture of the lot # I could try. We miss you every day. I have recently purchased a fixed bail Helmet with a frog skin cover and as I was entering it into my Excel data base I noticed the heat stamp number of 09A S clearly stamped on the inside rim where it should be.
As for lot 199A, this lot precedes December 1943 due to its participation in a metallurgical examination that took place at that time.
Shop Hours: Monday-Friday 9am to 5pm CST. Before this thread gets buried, I would like to petition for this to be pinned on top. Using them to discredit a helmet. Hi,
I made no assumptions regarding lot numbers, if it was not perfectly clear it did not get added.
Thanks for your dedication to getting the facts Marc! Using them to date a helmet. If I had a dime for every time I have to answer that question.
To everyone, post the Lot number and include the Schlueter "S" in your photo's. Thank you, for your assistance. J. Murray Inc. 1944 offers helmets for collecting and historic display purposes only. I believe I have a McCord front seam, stainless steel rim, swivel loop with a heat stamp of 183B, but I discovered a set of stamped numbers 9627 on the rim near the swivel; any idea what that means please? And a # 375A which matches the chart. I found his helmet through worthpoint.com, however the photo of the lot number was no longer available, so I ended up messaging him to see if he still had it on file. We are not responsible for injuries that may result from misuse or as a result of our helmets being used in place of proper safety equipment.
Greetings all, Below are two helmets' heat stamp numbers. "There is no such thing as an expert, only students with different levels of education.".
Sep 21, 2020 Aj Copperwheat. I also have other Schlueter shells, but none with straps. Maybe it is the sheer number of helmets I've had pass through my hands, but I don't place a great amount of importance on these codes. There is a dating chart based on the heat stamp number used by McCord found in the book: Helmets Of The ETO by Regis Giard and Frederic Blais. By Share this post. I have recently purchased a fixed bail Helmet with a frog skin cover and as I was entering it into my Excel data base I noticed the heat stamp number of 09A S clearly stamped on the inside rim where it should be.
I suspect the size of the lots of blanks from Sharon Steel remained fairly constant. April 14, 2010 in STEEL AND KEVLAR HELMETS. Does anybody know who has the 10A helmet?
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. It's easy! That being said, if you have a helmet that meets the criteria and is not already on the chart, please by all means post your findings. Not a lot.
I have filled in with red text the common dates attributed to characteristic changes such as, the transition from front to rear seam, fixed loops to swivel loops, etc. So it most likely wasn't an even distribution of helmets per lot; the 1944 lots were probably much larger. Jan 15, 2019 Great reference! Hello, first time contributor long time member. Many view this chart as an unreliable/false source, but the heat stamp chart in the book Helmets of the ETO puts your number to around middle 1942. Regards, Lance Double click on photo to enlarge. Anyone else have any variations from the above chart? My account is in honor of my late great, Grandfather SSGT Joseph M Gill WW2 - Korea Veteran.
Below, in the attached images, are my findings regarding Schlueter produced helmets, their lot numbers, loop variation, seam placement, rim construction, and chinstrap configuration. Using them in auction descriptions to squeeze a better ending price.
Is there a way to break the code? A good portion of his research was published in Military Collector & Historian. It is rich with information. The top one is a front seamed helmet and the bottom one is rear seamed. Sep 21, 2020 We would have extensive discussions about "numbers and letters", so to speak. I encourage you to read the article. This was likely a transitional period for Schlueter, using up old stock while introducing the new.
To keep the thread clean please do not post duplicates. I HAVE A HELMET THAT’S REAR SEAMED AND THE,NUMBERS ARE 0121. This chart is approximate only but, it will get you within a few months time of manufacture.
When were they stamped into the helmet? 2 1/2 press which stamps the Motor Wheel initials and the lot number, and also forms a small indentation at the edge of the blank to be used as a visual locator for the stamped area when the blanks are positioned in the draw die. I'd love to see that one.
"A small die is mounted in the No. Always looking for and buying 50's era 11th Airborne/ 187th ARCT/ 82nd Airborne tac mark painted jump helmets!
It is lot 323A, which has OD#3 straps, flat steel buckles, and LOOKS to be a stainless rim (is it possible to have different rims within a lot?).
After awhile it grew into a great interest for him. Or the mods will point to where you can find this info for yourself... Hi - sorry, I did look through previous posts but must have missed the one/s you're referring to.
Give this info, it will help us to give a more accurate date. Sign up for a new account in our community. Scott (Bugme). http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/army-wwii-m1-helmet-fixed-bail-469679387. Some quick arithmetic suggests that there were roughly 3,500 blanks per lot if your last recorded lot number is close to the end. So much importance & significance has been placed on the alpha numeric code in the brim of the m1 helmet. Powered by Invision Community. Thankfully he did! Thanks.
Keep up the great forum it has provided me a wealth of information regarding a number of topics. This chart is by no means set in stone; it is definitely possible that their are helmets out there that would alter transition dates, however I can assure you that the helmets below were included with much scrutiny. Here are a few photos of my Schlueter 323A shell. That said, yes, your helmet looks to have been made in the summer of 42. Thanks! Joshua Murray, "What's the heat lot number in that helmet?".
I will check my other shells and post a few pictures later tonight or tomorrow. It is a light strike and a bit difficult to see, especially with a camera.
Out of the 4 Schlueter shells I have, only one has the straps. 02-23-2014, 11:18 AM #2. ruddersrangers44? Our helmets are NOT certified by the D.O.T., or any other regulatory agency that authorizes headgear for use as safety equipment or crash helmets. Re: M1 Helmet Stamp identification it would be of some help if it all works out this is the forum where they are gathering some of the info U.S. Militaria Forum -> HELMETS & PROTECTIVE GEAR 12-09-2009, 07:38 PM #8 Thanks. Thanks for taking the time to pull that together.
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